EP15: The Ultimate Guide to Giving a Damn w/ Sarah Kozlowski of The KidconsciousProject.com
Sarah is on a mission to help develop kids from the inside out. In this episode we discuss: grit vs. resilience, self-correction, mental toughness, learning by doing, and how to be a good digital citizen. Plus we discuss the importance of teaching kids about the connection to themselves, their local communities, and to their worlds.
We talk about all this and much more in our interview with the warm and kind, Sarah Kozlowski, so be sure to tune in!
Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:
- The Kidconscious Project
- Erin’s Free workshops Denver/Broomfield therapist: The Kali Institute
- Teaching parents how to keep their kids safe: Feather Berkower of Parenting Safe Children
- Teaching kids about body safety: Kidpower
- Girls Leadership
- Project Worthmore
- Denver Health Refugee Clinic
- Englewood Community Garden
- Kidconscious Project newsletter, Facebook, Instagram
- Kidconscious Project Contributor (membership)
- Tom Hanks and his volleyball friend, Wilson, in the movie, Castaway
- Free 6-Step Roadmap to Instant Connection: Connection Roadmap
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[0:00:00.4] ERIN LINEHAN: The contents of this show are for educational, informational, and entertainment purposes only. Any information on the show does not create a client-therapist relationship and should not be taken as professional advice. Before making any decisions regarding your healthcare, ask your personal physician, or mental healthcare professional, or call 911 for any emergencies.
[0:00:21.7] AMY MOORE: We are three friends exploring connection. From the coffee shop to the podcast studio. I’m Amy.
[0:00:26.8] ANNA NEWELL JONES: I’m Anna.
[0:00:27.8] ERIN LINEHAN: I’m Erin.
[0:00:35.9] AMY MOORE: We are so excited to have Sarah Kozlowski in studio today.
[0:00:39.4] ERIN LINEHAN: She was an awesome guest. She is helping our little people in the world become more conscious and better citizens of the world, which she talks about in her interview. I feel very, very lucky that we had her as a guest today.
[0:00:50.8] AMY MOORE: Sarah is the Founder of the Kid Conscious Project. You can find her at kidconsciousproject.com.
[0:00:58.6] ERIN LINEHAN: Yes. She helps kids become better connected to themselves, to their local community and to the global community. We need that in our world today and she is doing something about that. Thank you, Sarah and work, because I didn’t talk to you.
[0:01:12.1] AMY MOORE: Hey, everybody. We’re back in the studio.
[0:01:15.9] ERIN LINEHAN: Hey, yo.
[0:01:16.9] AMY MOORE: Today, we are really excited because we have Sarah Kozlowski.
[0:01:22.4] ERIN LINEHAN: No. You got it.
[0:01:25.0] AMY MOORE: Yes. All right, with the Kid Conscious Project. Thanks for being here.
[0:01:31.6] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah. Thanks. I’m thrilled to know you all.
[0:01:33.4] AMY MOORE: Yeah, we’re excited. So excited about what you’re doing for kids. Yeah, a little background. I heard about Sarah and her project and what she’s got going on from a friend of mine, who turns out, plays tennis with Sarah. Then I reached out and we’ve just had a couple one really conversation before this. It’s fun because we get to – we all get to know you in this podcast with our audience. Yeah. Why don’t you – do you want to just start off with telling us about the Kid Conscious Project and –
[0:02:11.1] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Sure. Yeah.
[0:02:12.0] AMY MOORE: How it started.
[0:02:13.9] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Well, I’m first just so impressed by you all. I think this podcast is super timely and how so many of us feel alone in just trying to create connection. I think it’s so cool what you’re doing. Thank you. Thanks for making time for that. I was excited to connect with you and tell you about Kid Conscious.
The Kid Conscious Project, it’s a non-profit. We’re a 501(c)(3). I started it about a year ago, really with the intent of finding a way to create life skills, learning opportunities and service projects for kids. Our focus is around kids ages six to 12 and their families. We really think about building core values. The three that I honed in on are resilience, self-sufficiency and citizenship.
[0:03:07.2] AMY MOORE: Hey, Anna?
[0:03:07.8] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Yeah?
[0:03:08.2] AMY MOORE: You know, Erin’s a pretty badass therapist, right?
[0:03:10.8] ANNA NEWELL JONES: I totally know. I just take notes when she’s talking.
[0:03:14.3] ERIN LINEHAN: Me too. Some of our audience does as well.
[0:03:18.1] AMY MOORE: Did you know that there’s also a place that you can get information directly from her?
[0:03:24.5] ANNA NEWELL JONES: On her website, right?
[0:03:25.7] AMY MOORE: Yeah. Didn’t you do it?
[0:03:27.5] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Yeah.
[0:03:28.0] AMY MOORE: Tell us about it.
[0:03:28.5] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Yeah. There’s all these free workshops that they’re offering at thekaliinstitute.com, you can sign up for those. K-A-L-I is how you spell Kali and then Institute. Thekaliinstitute.com.
[0:03:41.1] AMY MOORE: Get it done.
[0:03:43.9] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: The organization really evolved out of an early organization I started when I was a new mom. It was when I had my first kid. I started it in Chicago with a great friend. The organization was called More the Milk. The intent there was to get moms away to volunteer and bring their babies along. Not have to pay for a sitter, because it’s hard to justify doing things on a volunteer basis and really having to pay someone so you could do it.
Started out great. It was a good concept that worked well while my kids were young. Now that they’re a little older, they’re eight seven and four, I wanted to do something that we get them involved. That’s where Kid Conscious came about.
[0:04:29.0] AMY MOORE: The Chicago company, when did you start that and then how long did it – because I know you have three kids, right?
[0:04:35.1] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yup. I do. We lived in Chicago and I was there when my first daughter was born. My background was in traveling the world and doing marketing and branding and I loved my job. When I left that world, it just didn’t feel like an off to be staying at home with the baby, and I wanted connection and wanting to truly, what you guys are all talking about, feel less alone in that world. There were a lot of fun things and baby playdates and –
[0:05:04.5] AMY MOORE: Bubbles.
[0:05:05.9] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Bubbles Academy.
[0:05:07.9] AMY MOORE: That’s what Chicago –
[0:05:09.1] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Oh, is it?
[0:05:09.7] AMY MOORE: It’s amazing.
[0:05:10.4] ANNA NEWELL JONES: I’ve never heard of it.
[0:05:12.1] AMY MOORE: It’s a place in Chicago.
[0:05:13.9] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: It’s like a jamboree for babies. It’s super fine. I enjoyed all that. I wanted to do something a little deeper. Partnering with a dear friend of mine named Amy, we saw there was an opportunity to do something with moms who wanted more conversation and deeper conversation and things to talk about beyond just our babies. That’s how the organization got started.
I brought it to Denver about eight or nine years ago when we moved here. I had two kids at that point. We did a lot of projects here in Denver that little kids could come along to. As you all know, it’s tough to find things that really kids under 10 can participate in. There’s so many restrictions.
Anyway, so we found a lot of great ways to have little kids come alongside their moms, or their families and be a part of different community building things. I love that. It was great. It built community here, but with us – that was more the milk. Yeah, and I continued it here and my friend continued it in Chicago. Schedules got tough and kids got older and kids are in a lot of activities and time is precious and it was hard to find time that people could really commit to doing something together like we did during the day.
I spent a couple years just trying to figure it out and getting involved in Denver stuff. Then I realized, my kids are at an age where they need to learn a lot of these lessons themselves. I can help teach them, but I want them to learn by doing. The genesis of the Kid Conscious Project.
[0:06:56.3] ERIN LINEHAN: Yeah, so important to learn by doing. Yes.
[0:06:59.0] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah. I mean, I think experiential stuff is everything. I know just in memories we’ve made as a family, or service projects, them getting their hands involved and meeting people and connecting, thinking I actually can have an impact, even as a six, or seven-year-old. It’s pretty powerful.
[0:07:20.2] AMY MOORE: It is. Yeah, that is so cool. You transitioned companies and then how long –
[0:07:28.1] ERIN LINEHAN: Wait. Can I go back really quick?
[0:07:28.9] AMY MOORE: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How did that show up in your kids making the impact that for a six-year-old to know that they make a difference, or know that they have the power to show up in the world? What did that look like?
[0:07:43.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: A couple things we did with More the Milk, which I thought now this even makes sense for an older kid audience, so we did a cleanup at Wash Park and kids themselves were given trash pickers and bags. My little kids would go around and there were some gross things they found, but they also found a lot of things they could pick up and put in and they thought like, “Wow, here is this playground that we’re at a lot and we’re making it prettier, making it cleaner and healthier for the animals.”
It became where it wasn’t just the moms, or the parents doing the project, it was the kids getting their hands dirty. That was an example of how it seemed like, okay, it’s time. It’s time that they’re actually more involved.
[0:08:29.8] ERIN LINEHAN: Engaging in their environment is so good. Is so good.
[0:08:33.0] AMY MOORE: Yeah, definitely. When did the Kid Conscious, how long has that organization been going?
[0:08:39.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah. About a year and a half ago, I started thinking about this idea and I thought there’s an opportunity for a leadership program for kids. I know when I was growing up in Boulder, it was part of one more in junior high and high school that it had a big lasting impact on me just in terms of meeting people in Boulder and the community and having some leadership opportunities that made me feel I was getting skills I wasn’t getting at school.
I thought about this originally is like, I want to have a leadership program. I thought I want to reach junior high and high school, because that’s when I was impacted. In doing a lot of research, there’s some great organizations already in Denver that are doing a lot in a deep and broad way around leadership and high schools are doing a great job. I realized, not only are my kids not at that age yet, but I don’t know that I’m ready to tackle that. I want to start from a place that I’m familiar, and so I started with my kids’ ages. There’s not much out there.
[0:09:47.4] AMY MOORE: For six to 12 in leadership.
[0:09:49.4] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Well, what I found is that there are a lot of service projects. If you dig deep, you can find organizations that are coming up with ways for kids to pack homeless bags and hand them out in the community. There’s some great projects, but I guess part of that is how my idea around leadership evolved into more of consciousness. That it’s not just in my mind about doing a service project, which oftentimes is a check the box. That felt good, but so what? What’s that mean? How does our family continue a conversation?
I wanted to even broaden beyond leadership to just creating more of a conscious awareness and families about empathy and kindness and being a citizen and how you can be a citizen of the world, starting with your own little body, even from a young age. Then building yourself internally, impacting your community and then seeing how your impact affects the world.
[0:10:54.7] ANNA NEWELL JONES: That’s so awesome.
[0:10:56.3] AMY MOORE: Erin’s raising her hand.
[0:10:57.8] ERIN LINEHAN: That is so good.
[0:11:00.1] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Oh, I love you guys. Well, thank you.
[0:11:03.4] ERIN LINEHAN: I’m trying to keep quiet like, “Yeah!” So good.
[0:11:08.2] AMY MOORE: You are like speaking to Erin’s camp counselor inside herself.
[0:11:11.8] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Doing a job. I need a partner.
[0:11:15.6] ERIN LINEHAN: Well, my God. It was beautiful. Good job, girl. It’s beautiful.
[0:11:20.6] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Thanks.
[0:11:21.5] AMY MOORE: What gets you? Wait, what –
[0:11:22.9] ERIN LINEHAN: Over there.
[0:11:24.0] AMY MOORE: Talk to us about those tears.
[0:11:25.2] ERIN LINEHAN: Giving kids empathy and resiliency and doing all these things early and all the – bringing the conversation to the home and more of sure, you can give out homeless bags, but what is the impact of this and then how to be a citizen of the world? That’s what I like [inaudible 0:11:40.4].
[0:11:41.4] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: You’re going to make me cry.
[0:11:42.6] ERIN LINEHAN: That’s so good. That’s grateful. We need that. Because that’s missing. That’s taking it the extra step and then people get engaged in their word. When you start that young, then kids have that. So good.
[0:11:56.2] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: My parents did a really good job of modeling that for me. Look, our kids can be little terrors. This doesn’t mean they’re great kids and have it all figured out, but I just know that I want them to go on in this life being able to take care of themselves, realizing how important it is to take care of others, and knowing that if you help other people, you help yourself. I don’t think there’s ever an age too young to start that.
[0:12:23.9] AMY MOORE: No.
[0:12:24.2] ERIN LINEHAN: It’s so good.
[0:12:24.9] AMY MOORE: It’s really great. Yeah.
[0:12:28.6] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Have you always been a go-getter?
[0:12:31.6] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I don’t know how to react to you looking at me like that.
[0:12:35.9] AMY MOORE: With awe.
[0:12:37.3] ANNA NEWELL JONES: I mean, to do such a – I mean, it just seems such a wonderful huge project to take on.
[0:12:42.7] AMY MOORE: I got to say when I had new babies I was at home watching The Bachelor.
[0:12:49.1] ERIN LINEHAN: I was not.
[0:12:50.4] AMY MOORE: I mean, I admire – but I also admire, because I felt really alone when I have my kids. I just admire what you were able to do with your own loneliness, or whatever you were experiencing, but that you like made something out of being a new mom like this.
[0:13:07.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I totally remember I’d host these little baby play dates in Chicago and I had it today. Show up rocking the entire day. People would come over and they’re like, “Oh, my God. You’ve got the TV on and your baby’s there?” There’s a lot of like, “I’ve got to just have noise. I just need an adult in my life, whether it’s on TV or in person.” There you go.
I don’t know. I don’t know that I – it’s about being a go-getter. Just I recognized that our kids are living in challenging times. Our kids go to a school we love. They’re super challenged academically and sports. We’re spread as thin as anyone else. I think people are making less time for the softer stuff that really matters and we’re all reading so much about that stuff going by the wayside that I just thought, “Well, I want my kids exposed to this.” If other people are interested, great. Out of that came this project. Really, a lot of the opportunities I wouldn’t be able to create for my kids without some scale, because they’re different things that just require a group to do it. I mean, that’s the intent.
[0:14:23.3] AMY MOORE: How many members do you have right now? Or where are you at? Where do you want to be?
[0:14:28.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Right now we’re just in Denver. I live in South Denver, but I don’t want to be specific to any particular location in Denver. The different organizations we work with span all across Denver, different Denver communities that people in my network of those who follow our projects live all around Denver, North Denver, even into Boulder and Colorado Springs. Right now, it’s more regional.
[0:14:55.0] AMY MOORE: I wonder if it would be something you could almost franchise, or something –
[0:15:00.7] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking about. I’m trying to pull back my friend in Chicago and get her onboard.
[0:15:05.6] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Do you do this full-time?
[0:15:07.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I wouldn’t say it’s full-time. It’s hard for any full-time mom to do anything full-time. My kids still have a lot of needs. It’s a part time thing
[0:15:18.3] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Kids are needy.
[0:15:19.2] ERIN LINEHAN: Kids are needy.
[0:15:20.3] ANNA NEWELL JONES: They’re very high-maintenance.
[0:15:21.2] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah, they’re needy even there –
[0:15:22.5] AMY MOORE: School is short.
[0:15:25.0] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Yeah, it really is. It’s like, that’s it.
[0:15:27.4] AMY MOORE: Super short.
[0:15:28.7] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Time to get you already? Are you okay? Oh, my word.
[0:15:33.2] AMY MOORE: Yeah, it goes fast.
[0:15:33.8] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Totally. I mean, half the day is just spent getting ready for the next day, as I know you all know. It’s like a part-time thing. A lot of the stuff we do is after school, or on a weekend, but it’s some – It’s a time, or a timeframe that I probably fill with something else, if not in this. It’s just about prioritizing.
[0:15:56.2] AMY MOORE: What are some of the favorite projects that you’ve done, or some that you’ve really had success with, or people of really gravitated towards?
[0:16:04.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah. Well, so this last year I decided to explore four themes. The first was safety. We did this awesome body safety class. Many of you may have heard of Feather –
[0:16:19.6] ANNA NEWELL JONES: She’s coming on. Yeah.
[0:16:21.7] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Feather is awesome. I’ve heard her a few times. She’s powerful, powerful information. Again I thought, well, I’ve heard her message, but I want my kids to hear the message and learn the message themselves. We found an organization out of the Springs called Kid Power and they’re fantastic. They host body safety classes for elementary age kids.
[0:16:48.2] AMY MOORE: From Feather? Like Feather specific?
[0:16:49.7] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Feather is not involved with that. Feather more speaks to parents. Kid Power speaks to kids.
[0:16:56.0] AMY MOORE: Yeah. Awesome. Okay.
[0:16:58.0] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: That was the first project we started with last summer to kick off this whole Kid Conscious Project. We had 30 kids go through it. We all walked away thinking, “These kids are well-equipped to protect themselves, even from first grade on.” I’m going to repeat that and that’s a great thing. I did this whole safety –
[0:17:18.6] AMY MOORE: I’m going to sign my kids up for that, by the way.
[0:17:20.2] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah, please do. Please do.
[0:17:22.1] ANNA NEWELL JONES: My son’s almost 6 in November so [inaudible 0:17:24.1] involved.
[0:17:26.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: He would be very welcome and could certainly get a lot of the lessons out of it. That was a great one. We’re going to repeat it in January. I did this whole three-month session around safety. To me it’s like, well, if kids are kids, ages aren’t first safe, well what else matters, right? Body, safety. We did a digital safety series when Sheryl Ziegler, who’s a local fantastic psychologist.
[0:17:55.7] AMY MOORE: Oh, yeah. I think you told me about –
[0:17:56.6] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Teaching kids just how to be good digital citizens, which was super eye-opening for kids and parents.
[0:18:03.9] AMY MOORE: That’s so interesting to me to think about – I mean, we hear so much about social media and then obviously the dangers of the Internet and all that, but –
[0:18:12.2] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Right. Well and it was interesting to see – so this was first second, third and fourth graders. We divided kids by grade level, just to speak to them in an age-appropriate grade, appropriate way. Even within each of those grades, the variation in what they’re exposed to is so wide-ranging. It was interesting, my daughter last year was in second grade and some of the kids who were in her class, who were part of this digital class are doing a lot of gaming.
For my daughter, she has real limited access to technology. Just having a conversation with the same age group who has real varied experience was great. Everything from how to safely navigate websites, to knowing when something doesn’t feel right, it’s probably not right. When to tell your parents something is not right. Then she even explored online bullying and that can happen in games that kids are playing online.
[0:19:19.2] ERIN LINEHAN: Because they can talk on them, right?
[0:19:20.5] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Exactly. Or having an avatar that people can say something mean about. Many of these kids aren’t on social media yet, but they hear about it. Speaking to that and there are a lot of positives, but there are also some negatives. Just for kids to have a broad view of what that in their mind really fun thing truly means. It was a powerful class.
[0:19:49.9] ERIN LINEHAN: Because I feel when we were kids it was like, “Do your parents let you watch rated R movies or not? That was the thing –
[0:19:55.2] AMY MOORE: Pretty simple [inaudible 0:19:56.5].
[0:19:57.6] ERIN LINEHAN: Now it’s a whole – it’s a lot of stuff.
[0:20:00.7] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: True. One thing I learned through that is that kids in playdates oftentimes parents ask if you have firearms at home. Now parents are asking, do you have edibles, or is marijuana in the house? It’s also what’s your technology policy. I hadn’t thought to ask that, but it’s so true. Even friends who were super close with their kids may have different access on an iPad. We wouldn’t know what they’re able to experience at another kid’s house. Having that question asked. That was powerful.
We did this whole safety exploration. I thought kids got a lot out of that and parents too. Then we explored nutrition and healthy bodies and what does it mean to have a healthy body image, because young kids are – it’s just amazing how they’re even looking at themselves from age six and seven.
We did fun stuff. We did cooking classes at the Children’s Museum. We had it like a snack attack class, where kids learned how to make a really fun, healthy afternoon snack. Parents had a great nutrition class with this expert about how to – what food battles are worth fighting and what aren’t? A lot of them aren’t worth fighting.
I think different things we all grew up within our own families. For me growing up in a fat-free generation and you have to finish everything on your plate and how do you interpret that today? That was another session we did. Then the summer I think was maybe the most powerful. Is was all around mental well-being. I think for parents that stay –
[0:21:50.3] AMY MOORE: Didn’t you frame it as back to school mental wellbeing?
[0:21:53.7] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Well, so that was a component of it. Yeah. I think it’s unanimous that safety, of course being important. Parents just want their kids to feel good. If they’re struggling, they want to know how to help and they want to know what to look out for. The summer was all about positivity and healthy friendships and standing up for yourself, standing up for a friend, how to think about going back to school and being around friends you haven’t seen all summer, or friends who may have been tough in the year prior, or how to meet new friends when many of yours have left the school. That was great.
[0:22:33.9] AMY MOORE: Who’s leading these conversation? Are you leading them?
[0:22:37.1] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: No.
[0:22:38.0] ERIN LINEHAN: I’m not.
[0:22:40.8] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: No. No. I rely on these experts that I’m seeking out. It’s through recommendations, through books I’m reading. In the case of this friendship series, it was led by girls leadership. Just the coolest organization that is really doing great things to promote healthy EQ and good friendship skills. It was a co-ed class. I want this to be for boys and girls and together. They led that. We did this great sports mental toughness series. How can kids –
[0:23:17.0] AMY MOORE: That’s awesome.
[0:23:18.6] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: – talk positively to themselves in sports? How do they handle crazy parents on the sideline who have expectations on them?
[0:23:27.5] ERIN LINEHAN: There’s always one of them.
[0:23:30.2] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: They’re always many of them. You’re at soccer yesterday. I’m like, “Oh, my gosh. These people are so intense. Including myself sometimes.” Yeah, it’s intense. The sports coach did that. Yeah, it’s just a range. I seek out people who can lead these things.
[0:23:50.5] AMY MOORE: That is really exciting. Have you seen how your kids are following up, or connecting to the topics, or have you seen anything as a mom like, “Oh, my gosh. This must have really stuck with.”
[0:24:05.7] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I have. Well, so in the case of the sports class, I have a daughter who plays everything. She’s my first child. She’s pretty hard on herself. She took away some really great techniques for how to talk positively to herself and she used it yesterday in her soccer game, because she – yeah, she feels bad if she misses some goals. She has those tools now. We did another thing this summer, where a friend who is a pastor and also a spiritual mystic came and did a consciousness for kids class and taught kids how to protect their energy field.
[0:24:50.6] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Oh, wow.
[0:24:53.4] AMY MOORE: Do you want to come?
[0:24:53.9] ERIN LINEHAN: This is amazing. I was just talking to myself about this and it was like, we – because they don’t know how to do it and kids are so energetically sensitive and they get overwhelmed all the time.
[0:25:06.5] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: All the time. Yeah.
[0:25:08.0] AMY MOORE: Erin is freaking out.
[0:25:10.2] ERIN LINEHAN: When adults are off, and so – then kids are they – and then you force kids into situations, but it’s really because they’re overwhelmed because other people’s shit is too much. This is so good. Well, good job, girl.
[0:25:23.3] ANNA NEWELL JONES: I need to talk to you more. You make me feel so good.
[0:25:27.3] ERIN LINEHAN: Good, good shit. That’s why. It’s good.
[0:25:30.8] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah, it was so cool – she just brought these big poster boards and she had every kid stand in the center and draw a big circle around themselves and it’s like, a lot of people just think your energy only flows forward, but it’s behind you and to the side of you and you could –
[0:25:45.0] ERIN LINEHAN: Six to eight feet around.
[0:25:47.2] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yes. How do you protect all of that space, where you can keep things in a boundary? Then just these incredible breathing exercises to draw negative energy out. We do that. I learned a lot. We do that as a family.
[0:26:04.7] ANNA NEWELL JONES: This is all so healthy.
[0:26:06.5] ERIN LINEHAN: It’s so good.
[0:26:07.7] AMY MOORE: Really incredible.
[0:26:08.7] ANNA NEWELL JONES: It’s amazing that you’re not only empowering your kids to do to this, but other children. What a huge gift you’re giving to the world. It’s seriously so huge, because it’s so needed.
[0:26:22.4] ERIN LINEHAN: They don’t have to figure out, because they feel like this is what –
[0:26:23.9] ANNA NEWELL JONES: They don’t have to work through it in therapy.
[0:26:25.8] ERIN LINEHAN: – 2030.
[0:26:26.5] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Yeah, they don’t have to work through it in therapy later. Figuring it out and saying like, here’s boundaries. Something that’s such a life skill.
[0:26:35.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Well, you know what I think is –
[0:26:36.8] ANNA NEWELL JONES: It’s huge.
[0:26:38.0] ERIN LINEHAN: Thank you. What I’ve experienced in our school – again, we love our school, but they talk about these core ethos and values, but they don’t teach them. It seems implicit, kindness and empathy, but kids often just need to go through scenarios and roleplay and practice and then they can really do it in perpetuity. Yeah, I just felt that wasn’t being taught. It wasn’t being offered.
Another thing, my kids have heard the word refugee a lot; a lot in the news. We just hear it in a number of places and tell this last year. I don’t think they really understood what that meant. We’ve done two projects with refugees; one with Project Worthmore, where a man who fled Iraq with his family spoke to the group. I mean, it was just truly amazing to hear –
[0:27:36.5] ERIN LINEHAN: Is that the guy – the TED Talk?
[0:27:38.7] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I don’t believe so. I’m not sure. He’s actually an employee of Project Worthmore. He’ll speak to groups. My kids didn’t know that if you flee a country, you don’t get to bring your clothes and your furniture and often, you don’t even bring your family. That they would be starting over here in a city and country where they don’t speak the language, they don’t know anyone. Just that these basic needs that we can help meet them, it just helps put a smile on their face.
We did a great event with Project Worthmore that was powerful and hearing from someone who’s experienced life as a refugee was just wonderful for our whole family. Then earlier in August, we did a project with Denver Health Foundation and they have a program that lends help to refugees that they serve at Denver health. What we did as the Kid Conscious Project was commit to filling 50 backpacks of new school supplies for refugee kids. These kids come in for their first checkup and they get a backpack ready to start them off in school.
My kids now are like, “I get it. I know what that means. These are kids just like us.” We go to Target buying back-to-school stuff and they realize like, “Most people don’t just get to go and pick out new markers.” It connected it more than let’s adopt a family and buy gifts and drop them off. It created a bigger picture connection to who’s the recipient.
[0:29:19.2] AMY MOORE: Yeah. That’s so cool. It makes me think of so when I was in college, I had this environmental education class. It was talking a lot about how kids, if they are really going to feel environmentally connected, or will actually take action when they’re older, it all starts with childhood experiences and how if kids don’t have the opportunity, or the experience of literally playing in the dirt, or buildings and fort outside, or just being in the whatever it is, dirt, grass, backyard, tree fort, whatever, then it’s really hard for any kid to really feel a real connection with the environment, and then later on to actually take action to help protect it.
I feel what you’re doing and your work is giving them – giving so many kids the option to play in the dirt. Maybe some of this stuff, it’s got to really resonate. Then they’ll have all this personal experience. It’s just really cool. I can’t wait to see what’s happening.
[0:30:29.2] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Thank you.
[0:30:31.5] ERIN LINEHAN: The link in that connection. I mean, that is so important for that people to feel in their bodies and then do it. That’s great.
[0:30:40.9] AMY MOORE: Did you have some pivotal moments in your own personal, like in your life where you maybe – I don’t know, saw some underserved population, or you did work with them? Or was there anything in your own childhood, or anything?
[0:30:57.1] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah. Probably, one of the best opportunities I’ve had in my life was to learn Spanish. As a kid, I don’t know how my parents decided they would put me in a Spanish class weekly, because they didn’t speak another language. It wasn’t that popular growing up to learn a second language. Our kids now are in a full-time Mandarin program. To us, language is really important.
I think as a kid, I took these weekly Spanish classes. Then my parents in Boulder turned me on to emergency family assistance, which is an organization there that serves primarily Hispanic families with food and emergency shelter. I think as an early teen, I began volunteering there and I could actually use my Spanish. I felt just more of a connection to these families and in that I could speak with them, or I’ll –
[0:32:01.2] ERIN LINEHAN: They tell jokes?
[0:32:01.6] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: – I was trying. I was trying. I think they felt more comfortable with me. That early experience was super formative in how I knew I wanted to keep helping people if I could in my own little way. I mean, I did things like mowing lawns. It gave me a work ethic, it helped me connect with people who had needs that I could help support. It just gave me a community that was outside of my own world. Throughout my life, that’s been a big important part of just my living and giving back and volunteering. I’ve just tried to do that.
[0:32:52.1] ERIN LINEHAN: It’s a great learning.
[0:32:56.8] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah. A lot of people, money is important, certainly important to give, but time and truly making connections with people is so impactful. It’s important to me.
[0:33:11.6] AMY MOORE: Yeah. What did you study in college?
[0:33:14.6] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Spanish.
[0:33:15.3] AMY MOORE: Oh, you did.
[0:33:16.0] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I was a Spanish major. Yeah, Spanish and communications. Yeah, I went to Vanderbilt and I ended up going abroad to Madrid. That’s probably the most memorable time of my whole college experience. Loved it.
[0:33:31.8] AMY MOORE: You were in Madrid?
[0:33:32.5] ERIN LINEHAN: No. Well, our school had, so I visited, but I wasn’t – That was a train wreck – Let’s be honest. Real fun yet.
[0:33:44.9] AMY MOORE: I did my overseas actually in China, so I spoke Mandarin.
[0:33:47.6] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: You did. Wow.
[0:33:49.3] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Do you speak it now?
[0:33:50.0] AMY MOORE: No. This was in ’97. This was a different – I mean, I would love to go back, because obviously, the country has changed dramatically since I was there. Yeah, I was also more of a train –
[0:34:03.1] ERIN LINEHAN: It was amazing. Well, you did that.
[0:34:06.7] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I didn’t anyone who spent a broad time in China. When I was in college –
[0:34:10.0] AMY MOORE: Yeah. I know it’s pretty rare.
[0:34:11.5] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Pretty amazing.
[0:34:12.7] AMY MOORE: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I went to Lewis & Clark for my first couple years and they – just their big thing is study abroad, or it was then. Yeah, I just knew a few people. I went with 10 other classmates. Yeah.
[0:34:29.1] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Nice. You must have stood out.
[0:34:30.8] AMY MOORE: I did. Just a little bit. Yes, I did.
[0:34:33.5] ANNA NEWELL JONES: With the blonde hair.
[0:34:34.3] AMY MOORE: People would come up and touch my hair literally. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was definitely an eye opening – I mean, how awesome is that to be able to go to a foreign country and live there, spend significant – more than just travelling there.
[0:34:53.2] ANNA NEWELL JONES: How long were you there?
[0:34:54.6] AMY MOORE: I was there for three and a half months, so a semester. We were able to do little weekend excursions and take train rides and learn. Yeah, it is. It’s so great. Then just to think about I don’t know, how you get to know the world. Your perspective changes so much. Because part of your – you have a component of – so it’s self, local and then world, right? What what are you doing for kids to feel a connection to the world, or does that get too big?
[0:35:30.5] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah. Well, it gets talked about. Not every project touches on each of those aspects, because my core mission is to develop the kid from the – leadership and empathy from the inside out. In the case of many things, like our refugee projects, they are certainly looking at the topic from a world perspective and I offer articles and other resources where kids can walk away with their families and continue the conversation at home.
We just did a project with Englewood Community Garden. We harvested the garden and supplied it to a local food bank. Then someone from Denver urban garden came and talked about composting. It sparked a conversation just about food deserts and how the globe is handling these issues and the importance of growing your own food if you’re able to and who that can help. I think touching on these broader global topics and then providing resources to have more family conversation.
[0:36:32.7] AMY MOORE: Do the parents have a session simultaneously as the kid? Or how does the –
[0:36:38.1] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Every project really varies. In some cases, the parents are invited to participate alongside their kids, as was the case in the garden. Often, these seminars or classes are more for the kids. Then parents will come back for the last 15 minutes and learn what their kids learned and what are some of the key takeaways. They’re able to ask questions. Just get some real examples of the work that they can hopefully continue at home.
[0:37:12.1] AMY MOORE: That’s so great. Have you worked directly with any schools?
[0:37:16.6] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: No, not really. That’s part of a model I’m considering. I’m trying some things just at our own school to promote this. I’m not sure. That could be one route. Part of it is just also finding a diverse community outside of our school that I want our kids to participate in. I think there’s value in them doing things with kids they don’t know, because there are few opportunities for kids to take, forge relationships in a new way. Right now, I like that kids are from a whole lot of schools.
[0:37:56.8] ERIN LINEHAN: How do you figure out what the next project going to be? Or how do you keep the ideas with that, or find the context and –
[0:38:02.9] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Well, do you have any ideas? Do we ever? Yeah, I want your ideas. I try and have a really open dialogue with the people in the community that subscribe to my newsletter. I’m always looking for input.
[0:38:20.2] AMY MOORE: Wait. Before anything, what is that? Let’s just quick do a shout out and we’ll do one at the end too, but where can people sign up for the newsletter?
[0:38:27.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: The best place is on kidconsciousproject.com. Right away, if you’d like to subscribe to the newsletter, there’s a spot to do so. Then I communicate a couple times a month with the community. We’re also on Facebook and all of our events are posted on Facebook. Then we have an Instagram presence, so we can connect in any of those ways. Our projects are all listed on the website and you can sign up directly through there.
I want feedback. I want input from people. This last year has been trial and error. Unfortunately, most all of the projects have been really successful, have been full. I’m getting great feedback that kids are getting a lot out of them. In some cases, I think some will be repeated. My mission is to focus on the three core values that I talked about, so self-sufficiency, resilience and citizenship. As you can imagine within those topics, there’s, a whole lot of places you could explore.
[0:39:34.9] AMY MOORE: Definitely.
[0:39:36.0] ANNA NEWELL JONES: How was it funded?
[0:39:38.8] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Most of the projects are if they are fee-based, it’s a very low fee. Between $10 and $20. That just goes to the project. I have a few individual donors and I’m seeking grants. Then I also have a membership program. I’m calling it really now more of a contributor program, because funds are necessary to keep a lot of this going. These experts are asking for high hourly rates to come and speak to our group.
Through this membership program, which is I think pretty reasonable, but for $25 the entire family for a year gets 10% off any fee-based project. A 10% discount. Then first access to all new projects to sign up.
[0:40:31.5] AMY MOORE: That’s great. That’s great incentive. Yeah, and really reasonable. 25 bucks for the year.
[0:40:37.4] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I know. I think I spent $25 on Amazon driving over here. I mean, yeah. Hopefully, it feels reasonable and it just – I have found that the people who are subscribing as members are really those who are pretty committed. If they aren’t able to participate, they’re active engagers, and so that’s creating even a deeper community within.
[0:41:02.9] ANNA NEWELL JONES: What were you like as a kid?
[0:41:07.2] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I was super shy. Yeah, I was really shy. I was really into sports.
[0:41:13.7] ERIN LINEHAN: Which ones?
[0:41:14.8] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I’m a tennis player and loved to ski. I think I just stuck to those two. Now we’re intentional.
[0:41:21.9] AMY MOORE: Great sports. Colorado kid.
[0:41:25.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah. We did a lot of the Colorado stuff, although I didn’t play lacrosse, which everyone’s lacrosse and soccer now. I wish I had. I don’t know. I loved growing up in Boulder. I love being outside. We have a tight family. I have a younger sister. Two kids in our family. Yeah, my parents are still outside of Boulder. I don’t know, I’m just a happy kid. I loved my life. I loved how I grew up.
[0:41:54.9] ANNA NEWELL JONES: That’s awesome.
[0:41:55.7] AMY MOORE: That’s great.
[0:41:56.6] ANNA NEWELL JONES: It’s like that best case scenario.
[0:41:59.8] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Boulder is a pretty sweet place to grow up.
[0:42:02.6] AMY MOORE: Totally. Totally.
[0:42:03.7] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Very sweet.
[0:42:05.0] AMY MOORE: Very idyllic.
[0:42:08.0] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Would you consider yourself shy now?
[0:42:10.4] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: No. No, I don’t know with that. I don’t think I’m shy at all.
[0:42:14.7] ANNA NEWELL JONES: I’m not getting that feeling, I just wondered how you see yourself.
[0:42:18.6] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I think my personality evolved. Maybe it’s through some of the things I’ve talked about in junior high and high school. I was just given more independence. I think that helped grow me a lot. Then going out of state for college was awesome. No, I mean, I just like connecting with people. I think I’m a connector. I like having friends in a whole lot of different places in my life. Yeah.
[0:42:50.5] ERIN LINEHAN: Is your sister still local?
[0:42:51.9] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: She is in San Diego.
[0:42:54.4] AMY MOORE: Another idyllic place.
[0:42:55.5] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Awesome place to visit.
[0:42:57.0] AMY MOORE: Way to go, sister.
[0:42:58.7] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Stay here. I love you here, but stay there.
[0:43:02.2] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Don’t go.
[0:43:02.9] AMY MOORE: Beach visit. Yeah, beach vacation for her, ski vacation for you. That’s good.
[0:43:07.1] ANNA NEWELL JONES: What brought you to Denver?
[0:43:08.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: My husband and I met in Denver actually. I came back to Boulder, I thought I’d end up in California, but I came back to Boulder after grad school and we met in Denver and when we met, he said he was on his way to Chicago. We left and we were there about four years and I was so happy when he had a reason to come back here. We moved back to Denver.
[0:43:31.8] ANNA NEWELL JONES: How did you meet him?
[0:43:32.7] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: We me golfing.
[0:43:34.2] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Oh, yeah?
[0:43:35.4] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: That’s not funny. Yeah. I guess that makes sense.
[0:43:40.5] ANNA NEWELL JONES: How did that go down.
[0:43:42.1] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I know. Well, he and I are both originally from Indiana. We started a conversation about that. He was traveling internationally a ton for work, as was I. It seems crazy to think about, because our life is it like this now. I think our third date was in Africa.
[0:44:02.2] AMY MOORE: Oh, my gosh.
[0:44:03.5] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah. He was there for a conference.
[0:44:05.9] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Gen setters. Meet me in Africa.
[0:44:10.0] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Life is not like that now, but it was great because that was what my job was, is just having all over –
[0:44:15.3] AMY MOORE: Wait. You just happened to be in Africa at the same time?
[0:44:17.0] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: We just happened to have a work reason for both of us to be there at the same time. It was like –
[0:44:23.7] ERIN LINEHAN: It’s a good story.
[0:44:25.1] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Seems meant to be. It’s going to happen, right?
[0:44:28.1] ERIN LINEHAN: Where was the date?
[0:44:29.5] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: What was the date of that? It was –
[0:44:31.7] ERIN LINEHAN: No, no. What did you on the date.
[0:44:33.6] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Oh, what was the date. I’m like, “Geez, I don’t think I remember the date.”
[0:44:38.3] ERIN LINEHAN: Yeah. Back then I was like, “Yeah.”
[0:44:39.6] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Let me get on my calendar.
[0:44:42.7] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah. Well, we each had – I was working with Coke and I did project with Fanta and had this mining conference. Then afterwards, we decided to take a week safari.
[0:44:54.0] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Oh, that’s amazing. Wow.
[0:44:59.6] AMY MOORE: God. How long did it take to get married? How long did you date before marriage?
[0:45:05.0] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Well, and then I accelerated things, right? When we moved to Chicago and we were engaged, the next summer. We met each other in our mid-30s and it was like, “All right, time to go. Hang on.”
[0:45:19.9] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Knew this.
[0:45:21.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: It’s all worked out.
[0:45:22.7] ANNA NEWELL JONES: That’s awesome.
[0:45:23.9] ERIN LINEHAN: Good story.
[0:45:24.9] AMY MOORE: That’s a great story. My cheeks are hurting from smiling.
[0:45:31.0] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I know. It seems like it was a different life, because life doesn’t look like that now.
[0:45:36.3] AMY MOORE: How cool though that you –
[0:45:38.1] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: The zoo. Well different.
[0:45:42.2] ANNA NEWELL JONES: A little different. Safari in Africa, versus the Denver zoo.
[0:45:45.0] AMY MOORE: I wonder if you’ll pick that up again later in life, since you are both traveling so much. I just wonder once the kids are out of the house.
[0:45:53.6] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah. That would be so great. We did our 10-year anniversary this summer. We went to Italy.
[0:46:00.5] AMY MOORE: Oh, congrats.
[0:46:01.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: That was awesome to get away again.
[0:46:01.8] ANNA NEWELL JONES: With the kids, or without?
[0:46:02.9] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: No. No kids.
[0:46:04.5] AMY MOORE: That’s great.
[0:46:06.5] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: A lot of grandparent help. No kids.
[0:46:09.4] AMY MOORE: That’s so great. Congrats on 10 years.
[0:46:12.0] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Thank you.
[0:46:14.0] ANNA NEWELL JONES: With Kid Conscious, the Kid Conscious Project, or just in your life in general, what are you most proud?
[0:46:20.8] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I’m most proud of my family. I am so proud of my kids. I’m proud of my marriage. I’m proud that we are able to give our kids broad experiences. I’m proud of I guess the values I was raised with, that I can hope to instill them in our kids and keep that going.
[0:46:48.2] ANNA NEWELL JONES: What were those values?
[0:46:50.5] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Well, I think it’s the things I’m trying for here. Being self-sufficient and being – we were raised in a great environment, but still knowing how to take care of things for ourselves and being able to live abroad and navigate a train system and read a map in a foreign language and a lot of things that I just don’t hear kids talking about anymore. Self-sufficiency.
I think being resilient is something I was taught growing up and it’s hard now to get tough feedback. You have to just constantly work through being resilient, even as an adult and feeling alone in environments, or feeling like you’re missing out on something. I mean, I experienced all that still. That’s a core value I’m just still trying to teach. Then of course, giving back.
[0:47:45.8] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Did you do an exercise to figure out these core values in your business and in your life? Because you’ve mentioned it a couple times. How were you introduced to that idea?
[0:47:56.1] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I’ve just been mulling it over for a long time. I read a lot of parenting books and take what I can and what I think applies from those. I’m just seeing so much about kids lacking – I mean, grit is a big word, right? That’s being talked about. I think grit is important, but I want to frame it in more of a positive way around resilience. To me, that means having positive friendship skills and good EQ and interaction and being able to handle feedback and self-correct. Just getting through tough situations, like being able to fail and learning from that and taking it as an opportunity and overcoming fears, so all of that. I think about all these values, but I think they can be summed up with the most three, like self-sufficiency, resilience, citizenship.
[0:48:59.2] AMY MOORE: They’re general enough. It’s interesting, because so when we started talking about doing this podcast, I had – I don’t know if you’re familiar with Barre3.
[0:49:07.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Oh, yeah.
[0:49:07.8] AMY MOORE: Oh, yeah. Okay. I’m a huge Barre3.
[0:49:11.1] ERIN LINEHAN: Every third episode.
[0:49:12.3] AMY MOORE: I know. I know. I went to a retreat that they put on in Oregon and Sadie Lincoln was there. Sadie led this –
[0:49:21.5] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: She’s the owner.
[0:49:22.4] AMY MOORE: Well, she’s the founder of Barre3. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, and so she led this core values exercise and it was – all of us had like, I don’t know however many, 50 words on these little cards. We had to place them in five different categories. Then you narrow down, narrow down, narrow down. We really identified our top five core values and then our least valued way, or least valued values, something like that. Yeah, anyway.
Anyway, so I was so energized after this retreat and I started actually with Jenny and hi, Jenny and Erin and Anna and we started this – I was thinking, let’s do this business growth, I don’t even know what. It was a workshop, but it –
[0:50:13.3] ERIN LINEHAN: We were fired up about it.
[0:50:14.2] AMY MOORE: We were fired up about it. I led them all in this – I reduplicated the experiment, or the exercise and I led them into the core values exercise. The three of us had very – our five values very well-defined and all of us had connection as one of those top five. Eventually, that was a huge inspiration to this podcast.
[0:50:40.3] ANNA NEWELL JONES: To do this. Yeah.
[0:50:42.3] AMY MOORE: Anyway.
[0:50:42.5] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: That’s great.
[0:50:43.5] AMY MOORE: Yeah, it was just such a concrete exercise.
[0:50:46.1] ANNA NEWELL JONES: I’m like, “Did you do a workshop with that, Amy?”
[0:50:48.6] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I wish I’d done that workshop. I need that workshop.
[0:50:50.7] AMY MOORE: I think I’m going to start offering it. As long as I get permission from Sadie.
[0:50:58.2] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah. No, connection is so important. I think you almost can’t get enough of it, because people do feel really in their own world. I see on Facebook, people are opposing these questions to strangers about how to handle this or that. In some way, that feels like, “Okay, I’m connecting. I’m getting an answer,” but you still feel you’re on an island a lot of times in this world. I applaud what you’re doing.
[0:51:24.3] AMY MOORE: Thank you. I was just in a therapy session and my therapist was like, “No.” We were talking about the podcast and she was like, “No. Connection is a human need. You have to do it.” She was talking about – Erin, I know you know all about this. She was talking about this in specific nerve bundle that we have from the heart to the forehead and how there is a specific nerve bundle to watch each other’s facial reactions and expressions and the building of connection. If you don’t have that, you can die. That’s crazy. Anyway, it’s good stuff.
[0:52:05.9] ERIN LINEHAN: Well, you think about what I mean that – what’s that Tom Hanks movie, where the dude was on the island and he had that whole great –
[0:52:11.5] AMY MOORE: Sherman? Was it Sherman? Norman, the volleyball.
[0:52:14.7] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah, the volleyball.
[0:52:15.3] ERIN LINEHAN: Yeah. Oh, the volleyball.
[0:52:16.3] AMY MOORE: What it was.
[0:52:16.9] ERIN LINEHAN: Yes, volleyball. Then something happened to it and he freaked out, right?
[0:52:21.4] AMY MOORE: Yes, yes.
[0:52:22.7] ERIN LINEHAN: Yeah. He drew a face on it. Yeah. Certainly.
[0:52:25.4] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: It’s like Aaron Water write it.
[0:52:27.9] AMY MOORE: Right, right. One of our original articles was about that horribly sad article about the babies in the orphanage.
[0:52:35.7] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Oh, gosh.
[0:52:37.2] AMY MOORE: Do you remember that?
[0:52:39.0] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Filling the tribe is awful.
[0:52:41.7] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yes. I know what you’re talking about. I’ve seen that. Yeah.
[0:52:45.3] ERIN LINEHAN: I know. I mean –
[0:52:47.5] AMY MOORE: Anyway, we applaud you for all the work that you are doing, especially for kids and especially that 6 to 12 range. Because as a mom, I mean, so both my kids fall into that age category and I don’t know of anything – I mean, there’s stuff going on in their school, but it is what you’re saying where these values are out there, they might do a – I love their school too. They might do a all-school assembly about one of the core values, but it’s that – it makes me think of Montessori schools, where they teach every single process in the classroom, because there’s no assumption made that anyone has any background knowledge of it.
I think about that with these emotions, or these values that we’re throwing out to kids where it’s like, happiness might mean something to you, that you – all different, or respect, or whatever all these words are. If you’re not actually teaching it explicitly, it’s very hard to then have to use that word in a common language, or to live by it.
[0:53:46.4] ERIN LINEHAN: Or to do this thing, because it’s just talking, talking, talking, talking and the people are like, “Uh!”
[0:53:51.5] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Well, and if they don’t have a connection with it, it doesn’t mean anything. It’s like, it might be great, but I don’t know.
[0:53:56.6] ERIN LINEHAN: My sister-in-law was talking about that her two kids went to – they’re in high school now, but they went to different schools. The one had where they had a garden and they grew all their own food and that daughter eats way more vegetables. The older daughter that didn’t happen, because there was a connection to the whole farming process, was just super fascinating. She attributes it to that, but it’s just that whole connection is –
[0:54:19.4] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah, cool.
[0:54:20.0] AMY MOORE: I found that with my kids, like with our garden last summer. They started eating – they just pluck those tomatoes right off –
[0:54:28.9] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Yeah, they’ll eat it off the vine.
[0:54:31.6] AMY MOORE: Yeah. It’s so great. We had strawberries this summer and they would just – I mean, they love strawberries anyway, but it’s just different. Anyway, we totally applaud everything that –
[0:54:42.4] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: You guys too. Thank you.
[0:54:43.4] AMY MOORE: – you’re doing.
[0:54:44.0] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Wait. I’ve got two more questions.
[0:54:45.5] AMY MOORE: Oh, good.
[0:54:46.0] ERIN LINEHAN: Oh, yeah. Here we go.
[0:54:47.3] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Okay. What advice would you give your younger self?
[0:54:51.0] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: It all works out. I think, you know at all, it all plays out as it’s meant to. I had a lot of anxiety almost in my 20s and I didn’t get married till I was in my 30s. I think I just – I wish I would have embraced that with less anxiety.
[0:55:11.5] ERIN LINEHAN: Me too, girl.
[0:55:14.8] ANNA NEWELL JONES: It’s so good. Okay, then the last question, unless you two have one. Okay.
[0:55:18.0] AMY MOORE: No, I’m good.
[0:55:19.1] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Okay and I didn’t get approval from them about this question.
[0:55:22.1] AMY MOORE: Oh, boy.
[0:55:22.9] ERIN LINEHAN: This could be trouble, I get there.
[0:55:25.3] ANNA NEWELL JONES: It’s a wiggle up. We’ve been trying this thing this season, when there are interviews of asking a random question, unrelated to the topic.
[0:55:33.9] ERIN LINEHAN: Remember what you told your younger self. It all works out.
[0:55:39.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Like if I were a wildy and more like, “Here’s something weird.”
[0:55:42.1] ANNA NEWELL JONES: It’s something like that. Okay, so the question is would you rather burp every time you leaned in for a kiss? Or drool every time you talk?
[0:55:53.7] ERIN LINEHAN: Anna, come on.
[0:55:55.8] ANNA NEWELL JONES: What? Is that bad?
[0:55:57.6] ERIN LINEHAN: No. Keep [inaudible 0:55:58.5].
[0:56:00.0] ANNA NEWELL JONES: That’s it. That was her new choices. Okay, and they’re not going to let me do this. I found it on the Internet. We can ask a different one.
[0:56:09.4] AMY MOORE: I’m totally asking my kids this tonight.
[0:56:12.4] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: So funny.
[0:56:13.7] AMY MOORE: It’s so funny.
[0:56:16.9] ERIN LINEHAN: This is why Anna –
[0:56:18.6] ANNA NEWELL JONES: I didn’t get approval.
[0:56:21.0] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Which is probably –
[0:56:22.1] AMY MOORE: That’s okay.
[0:56:22.9] ERIN LINEHAN: You would’ve said no.
[0:56:24.3] ANNA NEWELL JONES: You’re like, “No!” You’re both looking at me like, “Anna.”
[0:56:28.6] ERIN LINEHAN: I mean, which would you rather?
[0:56:30.4] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I’m thinking burp.
[0:56:33.3] ERIN LINEHAN: Oh, my gosh.
[0:56:34.0] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Okay. I would probably say burp too, because –
[0:56:38.1] AMY MOORE: You’re talking a lot. Think about how much drool —
[0:56:43.1] ANNA NEWELL JONES: It would be a huge mess.
[0:56:44.7] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Gross. Changing.
[0:56:45.3] ANNA NEWELL JONES: You’d have to have a towel with you at all times.
[0:56:48.6] AMY MOORE: You would have to have a pretty accepting partner that you’re about to kiss every time, especially if you’re burping in their —
[0:56:56.8] ANNA NEWELL JONES: At least they would know. They do all. It’s like, “Here we go again. Here is the burp. We’ve already know the – we know what’s going to happen.”
[0:57:03.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Or you just turn away and then you go in.
[0:57:05.2] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
[0:57:08.2] ERIN LINEHAN: There are definitely work-arounds to the burp.
[0:57:10.4] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Yes. Yes.
[0:57:12.8] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: I can’t wait to hear what you come up with next. I’m tuning in for that. It’s awesome.
[0:57:22.9] AMY MOORE: All right, everybody. Listen, you can find Sarah and the Kid Conscious –
[0:57:26.0] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Sarah with an H. I’ve heard with Sarah’s, it’s very important to distinguish if you have an H or not.
[0:57:30.6] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: We have an H. Yes.
[0:57:33.1] AMY MOORE: You can find her and the Kid Conscious Project at?
[0:57:35.9] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: www.kidconsciousproject.com.
[0:57:39.1] AMY MOORE: Perfect. You all got it.
[0:57:41.3] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Go check it out. It’s awesome.
[0:57:42.3] AMY MOORE: Yup. Go join. Be a member.
[0:57:45.4] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Thank you so much, Sarah.
[0:57:45.8] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Thank you, guys. Thanks.
[0:57:46.8] ERIN LINEHAN: Thank you.
[0:57:48.0] SARAH KOZLOWSKI: Thank you.
[0:57:48.5] ANNA NEWELL JONES: Thank you.
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